The game is about treason and scamming, you have to know by yourself who you will fly with

Also, the logi stuff

Looks like Harry got tricked into believing that someone was going to help him defeat the evil Goon Empire, but alas... King Harry of Highsec, first of his name, lord protector of the 4 highsec realms, was too gullible and naive to suspect anything. Show us the killmail Harry!

True for life.
False for EvE.
Also after a roam involving few kills it is fun to select a fleet member and all blow them up. makes almost everyone feel better

If someone starts shooting friendlies, you simply kick them from fleet and primary them.

Every meaningful fleet has logi which need to lock someone to repair them.

If your corp is full of morons like that, I suggest you leave the corp (or the game)

The game is know for its free environment. If people want to lie to get fleeted and them shoot the fleet members out, they are allowed to. Changing this is changing the game essence. If you have the option to turn that off, this affects other people gameplay directly, since they won't be allowed to do this anymore. You don't invite people to your house if you don't know them, so you shouldn't fleet with people you don't trust enough to do so.

That's not idiotic gameplay, this is sandbox, free gameplay, the same mechanic that allows us to choose a corp at random, go to their home and shoot down their stuff without consequence


I know you want random fleet ups and fair PvP, so why don't you try FW? FW is "Team Deathmatch", null is "Free for all"

So he sucks for not killing cyno ships?

Awwww..... did somebody get awox'd? Did somebody make the mistake of trusting randoms they didn't know?

Sorry, this isn't WoW, this isn't TOR, and Friendly Fire Mode is set to ON 24/7. It's not up to the mechanics to prevent your own failure to understand the simple concept that you are a target for everyone in this game, whether you like it or not. It is up to YOU, however, to mitigate the risks you CHOOSE to take for yourself if you don't want to get blown up. CCP aren't in the business of handholding.

HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHA.....

Just wait... a minute... lemme catch... my breath....


HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Reported.

What is it about going into a game where the cornerstone is betrayal and deception and believing that you can trust random people in positions where they could betray you that makes you smart, in your opinion?

And what is it about taking advantage of that trust in a game that strongly features the ability to take advantage of trust that makes a person stupid in your opinion?

Harry you want this game to be something it isn't. Actually, you want something you won't get in any other MMO game

There weren't people enough in your first event to take down Goonswarm, so you gave up and said the few of us were fine enough and gave up on the events.
You saw this wasn't firepower enough, so you ask for a nuke that you can use playing alone.
You get betrayed (which is the essence of the game btw, knowing who you can trust) and you want a mechanism to stop this

You set a huge milestone in your first month in the game and now you are pissed of because its mechanics won't allow you to achieve it easily. You want to have right now something that would take literaly years of planning, and since you can't you want to change a decade old mechanic to allow you.

Sorry pal, that ain't gonna happen, not in this game nor in any other. You should try games like Counter Strike where most of the time only you own skill matter, but you can't change what a game is about.

That IS real society... people stab others in the back more frequently than anyone would like. Go to an underdeveloped country where nobody is watching and see if things aren't far worse then what happens in null.

I don't see what more EvE could be, there's an average of thirty thousand folks online everyday in the week and almost sixty thousand in weekend peeks. It can grow but it is not taking this direction.

Already told you, you want fair pvp with "safe" and random fleet ups? Join Factional Warfare. There's penalty for shooting fleet members if they are from your faction afaik and there is a common goal to random folks.

There is a mechanic to stop it. It's called shooting back.

Guess what, you don't have a developed society. Individual alliances (and corps to a lesser extent) all have their own cultures, Eve as a whole is what you make of it.

Don't like it, you better start kicking over sandcastles, you only get to declare the rules of society if you have power, and you don't.

One unfit cyno frig at a time?

Trust me I'm quaking.

You're the only douchebag here.

Then you honor him by investing the time.

When we were in null together, i haven't fleeted much with any of you simply because trust is something you have to earn. Never fleet in LS or null with someone you don't know a lot.

I know what you were fighting for before. Now you are fighting for changes in the game that allows you to achieve that in the easiest way possible.

Society has rules indeed. Guess what: lots of people don't follow them, and a good part of the rest wouldn't if there weren't rules. People don't do that in real life, you can't expect them to do in a game.

Why are you blaming Bloodknight2 for playing as he does? Didn't you learn what happens when you fleet up with anyone who asks?

You don't want to take down VFK and take carebears to null, you want to change the way people play a game by force, even if it means changing the rules of the game.

This is a MMO game Harry. There is no "winning". There are personal goals that people try to achieve. What are yours?

And no, sorry to burst your bubble, but "they all" don't end up in jail. Also, for every scammer there's an idiot to fall for their scam.

Jesus. This has got to rank up there with worst ever threads!

I have 99 problems being able to be locked by fleetmates is definetely not one of them!

To be precise: in eve as IRL it's not honest ppl that fall for scams, but greedy people.

You can see it in the eve scams. The ones that do not want to pay a "fair" price are falling for one type of scam.

Hey guess what, yes, i was once a new player to EVE, as all bitter vets once were, i get it completely.

Your a bad.

Also you offend me and i'm pretty sure a lot of people by insinuating that their IN GAME ROLE PLAY ACTIONS have any bearing on RL persona.

Just because i gank a LVL4 mission runner in HS doesn't mean i grab old lady's handbags because they are easy targets.

Eve is game which is based around the ability to do immoral things that you wouldn't do in RL because its a game based on being a space ship pirate!

I think its you who doesn't understand.

Get a grip.

Eve is not about fairy tales Harry

Stop for 5 minutes and look at the Jita local chat. If you honestly believe that whoever fall for them doesn't deserve it, not only you don't understand the game, you are also not ready to play it.

You can't play a game and expect the other players to accept changes in the rule just because you're losing it. You won't stop people from using cookie cutter moves in chess and you won't be allowed to use your hands in soccer because you're bad with your feet. Accept that.

She just got ganked...

I'm not sure how this thread got this far because I thought it was an obvious cave troll.. But assuming this is a real discussion..

Mister Harry, you seem to value honesty and want to fight those who opose it. How are you going to be honest when there isn't a window do be dishonest?
There can be no Good when there is no Bad.

The beauty of EVE is the open possibilities. It doesnt mean you got to take every path, but it is there for you to take.

If EVE were to catter to your presumed needs, where you represent the novice podpilots, then we should stop with looting, podding and so on. It could be seductive to some people in the short term, but in the long run we need to feel the possibilities, we need to throw ourselves in the random and ride the spiral to the end..

There need be no such mechanic Harry. Part of the point of Eve is the trust game.

A good litmus test for whether a mechanics change in Eve makes sense is the number and complexity of exceptions to the mechanic you'd need to introduce for the game to still work. The requirements for special cases in your requested feature make it unworkable:

Make it so the fleet members can't target each other.

>> what about Logistics?

Except logistics.

>> What if I have logi drones but my ship has weapon systems?

Only the logi drones work not the guns or missiles or other drones or neuts or nos or...

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You have to except the world to make the feature work, and that's a key indicator of bad design.

Also, didn't you make that thread on the fast food generation? Isn't it akin to a fast food version of Eve to erode the trust meta-game? You should enjoy the full complexity of the game and employ your own interpersonal skills to discern the intent of your fellow players.

right i can put three 595's in my highs on my schimy or 2 auto cannons and a missile launcher the game will no that you are targeted by a logi ........ no exploit in this at all

Wow, that's an AWESOME IDEA!!!

Now I can start up a fleet and jump in a logi. I'll get some "bro's" in the fleet and take them out to aggress some "targets". Then I can disable fleet member targeting and rep the targets, becoming an invulnerable logistics ship regardless of the system's security status, corp affiliation or suspect timer! You're brilliant!


Wait, what?

I think the weirdest logic here is that anyone would want to team up with a bunch of random nerds when they can just play with their friends.

if you don't want to get screwed by people in your fleet, stay in highsec and leave lowsec/0.0 to those with a stronger backbone

stop demanding that CCP make sweeping changes to the game to accommodate you

Oooohhh now i understand this thread!!!

Harry doesn't want you to not be able to lock onto people in the fleet, he wants you to be able to not lock onto people NOT in the fleet!!!

I'm glad i cleared that up. Harry is genius!

wow terrible idea got to 8 pages and still in the wrong forum! i'ma go see if someone will move it

so basically you just want an option to turn logi off?

sounds like the most ******** idea i've seen all week.

This game isn't about "playstyles", it's a sandbox, doubly so outside of highsec. Exceptions are highly antithetical to the sandbox design.

Who trick you into a fleet in low sec? Then warp to you,and then processed to blow up your ship?

Your a ******* moron, your government scams you, your employer scams you, hell even your friends would probably scam you. Stop being a naive lil ***** and smell the damn coffee.

ps, since hes a moron 100mil to the one whom brings me his frozen corpse.